Episode 7: 2012 Prophecies
So with all the 2012 talk going on the previous comment board, I figured there should be an episode about it. This is a pretty short little introduction to the topic of 2012. I could have made it a lot longer and detailed, but I wasn’t to be sure it fit on YouTube. I think a fair amount of people search “2012″ and I think this episode has a chance at a fair amount of circulation. I used the self-proclaimed aliases of the comment posters, just so people involved in the conversation can identify each other. If anyone wants to hear more on this sort of topic, search “Esoteric Agenda” in Google Videos. Also, ZeitgeistMovie.com should open some minds. It’s not really about 2012 though, just other interesting theories…
Also, since it is Monday, here’s this weeks Hits and Misses:
Hits
The Dark Knight-
Come on, everyone knew it was going to be great. Nearly every review confirms it. I think everyone should have seen it by now. I really enjoyed how deep each character was. Everyone seemed to operate under a personal philosophy. It’s really amazing. 10/10. I actually got two calls about how good it was:
Rhyno from the Promotional Tour (Episode 4)
Apparently, The Joker himself….
Misses
Handcock-
I hate to say it, because from the first trailer I saw, I was really exscited. It’s no good though. Sure, it has a few moments. I guess I could TRY to like it and say, “Well it was entertaining at least.” However, with the premise at hand (the first half) and the talented cast, it should have been SO much better. It’s much more a love story than an action movie. I’d say it’s “My Super Ex-Girlfriend” for staight guys. 4/10
July 21, 2008 at 12:00 am
Awesome job again Greg. Nice effects and interesting topics. The Dark Knight… became my second favorite movie of all time. The dialogue is flawless, the character development is perfect, and god dammit the Joker is one entertaining son of a bitch… All character’s shined in this movie, action was just right, and they utilized their story well with two and a half hours of film. I agree with your rating… 10/10
Movies to Look forward to!
1) Terminator: Salvation starring Christian Bale
2) Tropic Thunder
3) Max Payne- with Mark Walhberg
4) Pineapple Express
5) The Spirit
yadda yadda yadda… get ready folks, this past year has been the beginning of a good streak of films.
July 21, 2008 at 9:39 am
In case anyone doesn’t think that some very connected people, probably at the highest levels of government, aren’t expecting something extremely large happening in 2012, or possibly even sooner, should view the short clip at
infowars.com/?p=3462. Somebody is obviously preparing for something huge, make no mistake.
July 21, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Dec. 21, 2012…Its starting to be on the radar but i’m not buying into the hype. The world’s gonna end because the mayan calendar stops? People are buying into it because we don’t know anything about the future and it’s just something for people to think they know what they’re talking about when there’s no possible way to be proven right or wrong….until 2012. It’s y2k all over again. You know you’re gonna have a conversation, somebody will bring it up, and then all of a sudden religion gets thrown into the mix. I didn’t buy y2k and i’m not gonna buy into 2012. It’s just another day and there will be a Dec 22, 2012. Everybody needs to get over this now before it really becomes the subject of every conversation. Who knows maybe i’m wrong and i’ll live to be 27…
July 22, 2008 at 11:37 am
Like I said in the episode, I don’t think the date is the end of the world. Although it would be cool that at sometime on Dec. 21 2012 the Earth would just explode, that won’t happen. All I said was that something significant might happen, a world-changing event, that people can look to as the end of an age. That’s probably more like what all of the civilizations saw in the future anyway, if in fact they saw into the future. Things cannot stay the same forever, and so 2012, if anything happens, will be at least near a date that significant change occurs. As for the comparison to y2k. I disagree that 2012 is just going to be another y2k. That was just a computer scare wasn’t it? Although some people thought the world was going to end that year, it wasn’t really a significant year on any kind of calendar, except for the fact that it was the turn of the century. 2012 is interesting because more than one person/people have pointed to it as an end of an era. It might just be hype generated by the movements of stars, but it’s at least different from y2k because several sources have pointed to that year as a change. 2000 wasn’t like that at all.
To go to another completely unrelated topic. What do people think about the story that is coming out now about the media giving McCain the short end of the stick? This might be semi-old news, but I’m talking about the NY Times not printing McCain’s rebuttle to Obama’s essay on foreign policy. I guess I’m also talking about the “bias” towards Obama in general. I found this whole controversy interesting because, as some of you might know, the whole reason I speak out against Fox News so much is because it follows around Pres. Bush, waters down crises that he created, and doesn’t give the liberal voices in the country their due credit. I feel the same way about this whole issue too. The Op-ed editor for the Times was a Clinton supporter, possibly an advisor I forget, but he was in the Clinton camp. So their might be some political motivations for denying McCain the chance to rebut. I have to be fair here and speak out against this. Even though I don’t agree with McCain, don’t deny him the chance to speak out against views that he disagrees with. Even if the essay he wrote wasn’t as “substantive” as Obama’s, let him at least speak his mind. Denying a presidential candidate his right to voice his opinion is just as bad as Fox News cutting the mics of liberal pundits. It’s sad that people in this country has started doing this to each other. The only way to truly inform voters, I think, is to let everyone speak for their views. Education involves both sides of each issue. Unless you give everyone equal time to debate and express themselves, the whole idea of democracy as it was intended in this country becomes void. Whatever happened to just letting people speak and then making an informed decision after that? People need to quit letting their own personal views corrupt media and the education of the masses….
July 22, 2008 at 12:15 pm
$7-
I agree with you that no information should be held from the public, but I think people MIGHT be trying to make this a bigger story than it is. I find that whenever the media has a chance to have a story “about the media” they run with it. Just like you saw 1,000 “Is the media bias towards Clinton?” stories. You’ll see the same about McCain soon. (or already) The point is, these are not real stories. For a network to waste airtime talking about “if they are bias” instead of just skipping that step and doing a piece of substance, say, with the candidate they are accused to being bias towards, is them just talking to talk. No information is being provided whatsoever.
That said, I think the New York Times simply wanted to cut down on that very thing. Obama wrote a letter than outlined his policy in detail and his general philosophy about the war in Iraq. It was a popular piece apparently. So, as I hear it, McCain wrote a “Nu uh!” piece just to try and remove wind from the sails. Also, not providing any real information or opinion. It’s sad that smarter people have to cut through all the bullshit and be like “Well, I THINK this is what’s really going on,” because the media is so terrible.
This is an explaination from the editor I took from a CNN blog:
In an e-mail to the McCain campaign, Opinion Page Editor David Shipley said he could not accept the piece as written, but would be “pleased, though, to look at another draft.”
“Let me suggest an approach,” he wrote Friday. “The Obama piece worked for me because it offered new information (it appeared before his speech); while Senator Obama discussed Senator McCain, he also went into detail about his own plans. It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama’s piece.” Read McCain’s rejected piece
In a statement released Monday, The New York Times said it is “standard procedure on our Op-Ed page, and that of other newspapers, to go back and forth with an author on his or her submission.”
“We look forward to publishing Senator McCain’s views in our paper just as we have in the past. We have published at least seven Op-Ed pieces by Senator McCain since 1996. The New York Times endorsed Senator McCain as the Republican candidate in the presidential primaries. We take his views very seriously,” the statement said.
Also, in reference to 2012, I’m hearing a lot about this planet, Nirubu. Apparently, around 2012 it comes into our solar system and IT’S gravity will be the cause of all the massive weather issues we will have. A more far out theory I hear is that the Mayan, and other ancient culture’s “gods” were actually inhabitants of Nirubu who can only reach Earth when their orbit is the closest. Thus, they said they “would return” around 2012 to share more technology with these cultures. Far out.
July 22, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Fitz,
Thanks for letting me know that. From what I heard on CBS it sounded as if McCain got the shaft. I heard that the Times wanted something of a little more substance, but didn’t hear about what he said all the way. Or maybe I heard it and just forgot/didn’t hear it. And I totally agree with you on the media talking to talk. I think it’s sad that there is so much bullshit in the media that shows like “The Daily Show” and “Colbert Report” can show montages of media soundbits and show how ridiculous this country’s media can be. It’s a shame that, in my opinion, the media has been dumbed down so much that it is intended for more entertainment purposes now than what it is really supposed to be, which is a way to cut through bullshit smokescreens put up by people who are in charge of things.
As to the 2012 thing. Do you have any further information on this planet? I’d like to read more about it, it sounds interesting. But can the gravity of one planet, unless really close to Earth, have a major effect on us? And I love the theory about the gods and such…it might sound crazy but I think it could, with a stretch of a wishful imagination, fit in with a lot of ancient prophecies/mythical history. That’s honestly the theory that I hope will happen the most. If I see some kick ass dudes and chicks come down in god-knows-what kind of ship and set things straight, then go right ahead. And whoever named the fucker Nirumbu had his shit together.
I just saw “Dark Knight” too. Excellent film. All of the reviews on this site point in the right direction. I would give it the highest honors as well. Long, but intense, never gets boring. Good stuff.
July 23, 2008 at 9:52 am
The NY Times just published an article in their Science section about an organization(?) named Innocentive. The purpose of Innocentive is to link open questions with masses of experts, and offer a cash prize for whoever creates the solution. There are currently computer gamers exploring how protein folds, and prizes for a successful new moon launch and landing.
The theory in place in called ‘open-source science’, coined after the open-source computer programming movement that allows everyone the tools to expand programming. It draws upon a larger field of potential responders, i.e. everyone, than the usual ‘hire a team for the research’. Under Innocentive’s scheme, many can work towards the goal at the same time and only results are rewarded.
I only bring this up because I think that the internet IS the one consciousness. It is created by people, it marks every furthest accomplishment and understanding of people, it has space enough for every person living and deceased, and it allows creative freedom for further expand thought.
I’m glad we use it for this. Good work Fitz
July 24, 2008 at 11:52 am
Kyle,
First off, that’s an amazing program. It’s half the reason I think the Internet is amazing. That, and the fact that nobody can control the information you decide to get. However, the internet IS artificial, and while it might be the most acceptable form, or at least the easiest to see, I think of it as more of a tool FOR the human consciousness. Which brings me to my next point.
I’ve been REALLY getting into these far out theories and people’s accounts of hallucanigenic drugs. It’s to the point now that I WILL try a lot more drugs in my life. I’m interested to see what sort of insight they provide. But a lot of these types of people tend to think that we stopped our own evolution by creating this fake society that distracts us with things like money, television, politics, religion, material goods, etc. We then spend the BIGGEST portion of our life working for this fake system, getting a job that shouldn’t exist in the first place, to buy things that don’t matter. These things create barriers between people.
“GOTTA GET MORE MONEY!”
“MY RELIGION IS THE TRUE RELIGION!”
and if you really sit for a second and think about if we all used our man power and technology to get food to everyone and we only worked jobs that would help the cause of bringing everyone together, and had NO armies, our lives might have a lot more meaning and we’d have a lot less to worry about. It might sound like going backwards, but I don’t know. Point is, some people think these self-created distractions have stopped our evolution and created technology to do simple things for us, so we think far less about the world and what it SHOULD be like, and instead of being so divided, we’d have tapped into our global consciousness a long time ago. Think about life being one long, constant, road trip…..The internet IS sweet though.
July 24, 2008 at 10:20 pm
Fitz,
To talk about the drugs. My only complaint is that too often people use drugs, such as acid and shrooms etc…to try to find this “peaceful place” where you can have some epiphany. Now, I don’t doubt that can happen, but I get mad at the people who take it too far and say they are using drugs to experience something magical, but they have too much fun, lose focus of what their intent was, and just start using drugs to hide pain or rebel. If more people used drugs to connect into a universal conscience, then the world would be a better place, no doubt. It just pisses me off that too often hippie-types take it too far, space out, dream big, but lose their focus, and just start blaming others that havn’t tripped, and think that if you aren’t using mind-bending drugs that you can’t experience true ecstacy. I think that the universal consciousness can be tapped into multiple ways, and drugs are one of them, but you have to be careful cause that can give a false return.
Also, I think its really interesting to talk about when people started glorifying materialism and forgetting their purpose on this planet. Is it human nature? Did materialism begin with capitalism? Is there any way to buck the trend? I think that materialism and prejudice, like saying that your religion is the true religion, is partly human error and also just a product of our culture that has been evolving for thousands of years. Your little pitch there sounded a tad bit communist, but if you read Marx, he was arguing against the same things. People shouldn’t only care about themselves, money, or what a god thinks of them. They should live in harmony with each other, which is basically the desired outcome of communism. I really like communism, I just think that it has been bastardized by the whole violent revolution idea coupled with failed systems based on Marxism. Taken as an ideology Marxism is really good, because there is no longer hatred rooted in religion or money, its just living to live. And about the whole creating distractions, I absolutely agree. The more distractions, the more numb you become to reality, and that is dangerous. So many people argue about religion, money, nationalism, and all of those created things that they forget that those things are made up. But just as many people would love to argue that I am crazy, and so the cycle continues, and nothing productive gets done. Any suggestions on how to end that?
Lastly, I really think we should make a segment on here entitled “Seven-Dollar Man’s crazy ass father.” Because tonight my dad was arguing with me how the U.S is different from other countries in history that have thought themselves to be A-Number One and indestructible. He went on to compare 9/11 with Pearl Harbor, and say that the founding fathers wanted a small government. The main thing I wanted to comment on was the part about countries being arrogant and stretching themselves thin around the globe. What makes our country so different that it won’t succumb to the same fate that other countries that thought the same things did. I might be wrong, but I think that when history plays out, the United States of America will be seen as a country that was great at one time, but like countless other empires and countries throughout the ages, it was toppled because it got too arrogant and void of self-reflection. WHY THE FUCK CAN”T WE REALIZE OUR CURRENT TRACK IS DANGEROUS?!?!?!? We will fall one day, we can’t always be the city upon the hill, and when we realize that maybe we won’t fall. But the fact that people in our country believe that our country, because it is “more free” than any other country in the past, won’t have to face the same fate that others have is disgusting. History doesn’t repeat, but it rhymes, and the moment that we let our arrogance and thoughtlessness lead us down the road of instability, we will suffer the same fate as the Romans, Spanish, British, French, and Soviets just to name a few off the top of my head. We teach in our schools that those empires got to big-headed and fell, yet people don’t take a step back and criticize their own country. Critical thinking is essential to survival as a country, blind optimism is dangerous. The American ethos is dangerous. Who knows, maybe this country NEEDS to fall to prove yet another point in the long history of humankind……
July 25, 2008 at 9:50 am
According to WorldAudit.Org the United States doesn’t even have the most civil liberties. In 2007 we ranked 15th, right behind Ireland.. Doesn’t that say something? Just the simple fact that we wear it like a badge of honor in this country. I don’t hear Sweden or Germany blabbing on about how “free” they are.
July 25, 2008 at 11:52 am
Could we be a little insecure in our freedom? Why would we have to always brag about it if we didn’t feel a little uneasy about it being as true as we wish it to be? That’s what I think it is….
July 25, 2008 at 12:31 pm
There is no question that countries like Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and Germany just to name a few, have more freedoms than this country. There are an awful lot of just plain ignorrant people in the US who will never understand or believe this. Many of these people will never even venture out of their own state, let alone travel to Europe. The only thing that will change this perception is the internet, and again, it will only happen when this older generation dies out, and the internet becomes everyone’s method of choice for getting and sending information.
As far as where this country is going, all I can say is “Obama”, man. Did you see how he was received in Germany? Can you imagine McCain getting a similar reception? McCain, by the way, was at a supermarket yesterday, checking out the cheese isle, where he drew a crowd of six. If Obama is elected, I believe that we may start back on the right track, and actually begin to repair our standing in the world. If, on the other hand, McCain is somehow elected ( although I just can’t believe that there are that many total fucking idiots in this country, but I may be proved wrong), then I firmly believe that we will definitely be headed towards the end of the United States as we now (or at least used to) know it. You can take that to the bank.
July 25, 2008 at 1:03 pm
In Oregon, Obama drew a crowd of 74,000 people. They are moving his acceptance speech for the convention to a stadium that seats about 75,000. In Germany, Obama drew a crowd of over 200,000 people. Jesus, talk about unity. Although, I have lost a little of my faith in Obama. Maybe it’s because he has to play the games to get elected, but originally I thought he was a very anti-war candidate. Now, he just seems to be against the IRAQ war. Pretty much saying he WILL fight in Afganistan and not ruling out a war with Iran either. I just feel like if Ron Paul had gotten father, I don’t see him “drifting to the middle,” like Obama has. Either way, I hope it all works out for the best…..
July 25, 2008 at 1:56 pm
There should be no doubt in anyone’s mind that humans are and always have been basically a warring people. Maybe this will change at sometime in the future, I don’t know, but I would like to think so. Anyway, Obama certainly has to let people in this country, and around the world, know that war is always an option if threatened. There are a lot of people who, if not convinced of this, just will not vote for Obama. Obama, however, will always opt to reason and negotiate with other countries first. I firmly believe that miliitary action will be a last resort for Obama. He is just too reasonable and intelligent a person not to understand that in today’s world, most problems between countries can, and must be worked out through thoughtful negotiations as opposed to military action. This is where Obama differs greatly from the John Wayne mentality of people like McCain, Bush and Cheney.
July 26, 2008 at 8:06 am
I just wish Ron Paul would have said why there was gonna be 0 income tax if he gets elected. That alone would open some eyes in this mother fucker.
Ill tell you what man this country sucks. Nobody has any money at all. I talked to a guy at UPS yesterday and he said thru the fiscal second quarter, they had spent over $500 mill more than they did just last year! He said fuel prices were 95% of that. Its just sickening because I would be willing to bet that UPS buys its fuel from a company that is owned by someone BUSH knows. But at the same time he is stealing money from the customers of UPS thru higher shipping costs, he is also and collecting big checks from UPS while they get millions in tax breaks and they still make massive profit. I bet if you added up all the profit from the top 500 revenue producing companies in the US for ONE year we could feed the world for 10 years. (what food would we feed them? prolly contaminated food.)
BTW anyone else think that these salmonella outbreaks are just tests? Tests to see how far the tomatoes in Virginia travel to consumers. Tests to see how far up north the Mexico jalapenos get. Bet a dollar that the next one will be in the midwest or West Coast.
July 28, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Perhaps this is a theory, but let’s just say it presents a convincing case:
The US is intentionally bankrupting Mexico.
1) Knowing that ethanol was, in reality, 33% less cost-effective than gasoline, the US announces govt. subsidies for ethanol production. This raises the profitability of corn-farmers and investors- if the government is backing it then it’s likely to stay around. So, Corn prices jump and tortillas become too expensive for the average Mexican family to afford. The price ACTUALLY jumped off the back of announced corn futures production, which were based on using farmland for fuel instead of fuel. The numbers were fake, ethanol has fixed nothing, and the production of further corn-farms have stopped.
2) Tomatoes were labeled ‘unsafe’ under the guise of E. coli. It was later reported that, ‘the only bad tomatoes came from Mexican dealers that do not follow FDA regulation’. Yes, their tomatoes are bad, ours are safe. Look for the actual totals of E. coli victims and see if this fear is valid- it’s not.
3) Now, the broad field of ‘green peppers’ are dangerous. This reaches from plump regular peppers to jalapenos. There is no explained link. The story is, once again, Mexico is unsafe, US is safe.
Just a quick tally: Corn prices skyrocket, and tomatoes AND ‘green peppers’ are too dangerous to import from Mexico. Really? This isn’t even a racist analysis- it is the account of what is truly happening. Turns out you don’t even have to poison the publics’ food, you just say it’s unsafe and the restaurants stop serving it. And that is a scary precedence for food regulation to come.
Just a thought..
July 28, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Wow, I never really thought about that. Although I HAVE thought about the ratios of “serious illness or death” to “amount of news coverage” and it’s usually far from proper prospective. They make it seem like you can’t eat ANY, when the infected batch is usually a small percentage of the actual supply. Irrational fear keeps the country going!
July 30, 2008 at 12:30 am
I believe fully what Kyle says about the US bankrupting Mexico with the corn prices. I dunno if you guys know but it takes 2 btu’s of fossil fuels to make 1 btu of ethanol. This math doesn’t make sense to me and the fact that farmers have now switched to farming all corn bc of the prices mean that other fruits and vegetables prices sky rocket because supply is low.
What doesn’t make sense is if ethanol is the so called fuel thats going to save us( which its not its total bullshit). We need to start making it from produce that produces the most sugar since what is ethanol just fermented sugar.
This is why Brazil is an all ethanol country and their fuel prices are so low. how you say? bc they derive their ethanol from sugar cane. So wouldn’t it be smarter for our country to start large sugar cane farms and beet farms ( beets are where we get almost all of our sugar from).
It just doesn’t make sense to me why our country still believes it the best. People are better educated and travel more than ever. These two facts alone can easily prove the US is not the best. Like other people have said I hope Obama is the “change” we need because looking down the road with out him looks bleak.
July 30, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Yeah,
We should take a lesson from Brazil. They are kicking our ass when it comes to alternative fuel sources. I guess once enough legislators and lobbyists get together and resolve how they can make a shit load of money on it, then we might start to see a movement towards using sugar cane and sugar beets instead of corn. As far as those with delusions about how great this country is, I’ll bet that none of these people have ever traveled outside this country. So I guess the only thing they have to compare to is the propaganda that we all hear everyday.